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In a recent local tourney, in the first game of a Best of 3 match, there was a very close game between an Elf deck and a Shadow deck. Shadow player did something illegal (I don't know exactly, but I think he cast a pump spell a Shadow that had Spinal Graft on it and forgot that doing so would kill the Graft'd creature) and attacked for enough damage to win.
The fact that this was in error was no realized until after the Elf player had scooped and both players were shuffling for their next game. The Elf guy had enough creatures out that both players were pretty sure Shadow player would've died on the next turn. However, with everything shuffled, they couldn't reset the game state.
We didn't have anyone with DCI Judge experiance so there was some discussion on the matter among the more experianced players (including the guy handling round matchups and recordkeeping, who was not playing) that the game was so close that the best thing to do was just to not count the game. It seemed to be an acceptable solution to all.
However, I'm curious to know what the correct way to do things should've been (i.e. what would've happened if this had been a DCI tournament with DCI judges)?
FWIW, It'd didn't matter too much in the long run: the Shadow guy beat the Elf guy I think 2-0 in the Round. Elf guy finished 10th out of 13. Shadow guy was 3-0 going into Round 4 but got thrashed badly by my Goblins and finished 5th (with Top 4 going to elimination & prizes).
July 20 2005, 19:13:08 UTC 6 years ago
The elf player scooped, as in, surrendered?
If he scooped because of the massive damage on him, then he surrendered. The win still goes to the Shadow player.
...well... that's what I think. I have similiar problems in some old tourneys, and the Judge told me that because I scooped, and didnt bother calling him over to verify, that it's my lost. But, he was kind enough to make our game a best out of four (instead of three).
Still lost though....
July 20 2005, 19:23:36 UTC 6 years ago
July 20 2005, 19:28:44 UTC 6 years ago
If the Elf guy lost... you can't change it after he scoops. Even if the Shadow guy is really nice and offers to count that game as a draw - you can't do that. In a DCI tournament, reporting anything other than the actual results can get you in trouble.... even if you both agree to it.
July 20 2005, 20:11:48 UTC 6 years ago
DCI or not.
the players were already setting for the next game. the best that can be applied is a penalty for the error and the game result will stand (more than likely it'd be a warning or caution so won't change the result).so the result would be game stands as is, the act of scooping and shuffling is the indication of game concession.
Fenris, Wolf of the Night.
Level 1
July 20 2005, 22:40:46 UTC 6 years ago
-kent
level 1 judge
ps. fyi, dont be afraid to appeal to the head judge if you dont agree with a ruling, just dont be an ass about it, simply explain what you think and ask for the head judge if needed.
July 21 2005, 16:03:50 UTC 6 years ago
I was playing a Black nim/Reiver demon Deck
my opponent was playing a green/anti-artifact deck.
If he didnt kill me that turn he was going to die from upkeep damage.
(an enchantment that hits him for two... i got it on the 4th turn)
He equipped a Sword of Kaldra to a creature with protection from artifacts.
Very illegal but i didnt notice until after our match. Judge said nothing could be done.